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Interesting. Hated it when I first saw it, however, I'm now using it. YMMV. - Daniel Shaw
I see their point, that's why I'm using a different theme than the default. - Aram Zucker-Scharff
classic is much better, the new theme gave me a headache just looking at it. - brianp
I'm not resistent to change. But i prefer classic, too. Using "rocks" now though. Wondering why gmail isn't offering my wife themes in the settings on her account (!? - Alex von Halem via twhirl
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Meraki Wall Plug
yesterday at 2:01 am - via Bookmarklet - Link
"Use the Meraki Wall Plug to cover large indoor areas with unparalleled speed. Simply plug it in to existing wall outlets to expand your network." - Paul Buchheit via Bookmarklet
Have you heard of Open-Mesh? [edit: http://dailywireless.org/2008/... ] They also offer a wallplug. http://open-mesh.com/store/ - John Lam
I have a Belkin wireless repeater which is not as stylish, but works pretty well. Sometimes it can be a bit of a pain to get it to find the router if there was a power outage. I believe it was about $50, instead of the $179 Meraki wants. But after looking at open-mesh, that looks even better. Thanks for the info John. - Robert Felty
Rob, who's to say that the Meraki wouldn't have similar trouble? - Gabe
Meraki is not a simple repeater -- it forms a mesh using any number of nodes and gateways. They're mostly targeted towards apartment buildings, towns, and other medium sized installations. Gabe, they specifically mention a hardware watchdog to deal with power glitch induced problems. - Paul Buchheit
@Paul - but is Meraki better than open-mesh? - Robert Felty
I don't know anything about open-mesh Rob, but the Meraki team is really sharp, so I would bet that they are better. - Paul Buchheit
Meraki and Open-Mesh use the same Accton hardware, but Open-Mesh uses opensource software based upon the same OpenWRT platform. See http://DailyWireless.org/2008/... I posted the wrong link earlier. - John Lam
It's really weird but they don't explain what it does on that page. It's as if you're supposed to already understand. What does it do? Now -- if my life depended on it, here's what I would guess that it does. 1. You have to buy two, no point buying just one. 2. You plug one of them close to your wireless router, plug the other one as far away as you like but on the same electric circuit. Now you'll have a strong wifi signal near the second one too. 3. Repeat as long as you're on the same circuit. - Dave Winer
Now if that's what it does, what do they do (if anything) about older houses (like mine) with many circuits? I found I couldn't use similar technology (if it is similar) because of that problem. They really ought to explain the product not just the problem. In the end I just hired a contractor to put in wire, it was reasonably priced (actually not much more than the boxes) and works really well and is faster than wifi. - Dave Winer
Dave, in the time you took to complain, you could have clicked the “Spec” tab on the page Paul posted. Both Meraki and Open-Mesh make a mesh WiFi router based upon older MIT RoofNet principles. For 25 years, i think, i've read your commentary and articles. Please don't get lazy on me! - John Lam
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Etherpad Shows Google Docs How It’s Done
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"It’s comparable to Google Docs or a wiki, but it’s far more useful. You start off by creating a new workspace. You type basic text on numbered lines at will. Then invite someone else in and have them type as well. Each user’s edits are highlighted a different color. Changes are made in absolute real time, something even Google hasn’t been able to do (Google docs update every fifteen seconds). Users can also chat in the sidebar, save versions and make a few tweaks to the settings like removing line numbers. One great feature optionally highlights Javascript syntax (making this a great way to write code collaboratively)" - Paul Buchheit via Bookmarklet
Etherpad may be a new tool in the Real Time Web kit. Collaboration on a non-flow basis. - Cliff Gerrish
Interesting - wasn't sure if AppJet was a worthwhile platform - this makes me much more interested - Christopher Galtenberg
Getting this for your try it link Paul: "EtherPad is under construction ... Sign up to be notified when we're back" - Philipp Lenssen
Try again, Philipp (nice icon btw). I think their fail whale is that signup box (not a bad idea, actually) - Christopher Galtenberg
Now it works thanks Christopher (it shows me as being alone in that document right now though). - Philipp Lenssen
Nice, a little slow, but I guess they shouldn't be waiting for all this traffic... Should be a nice tool once it adds other wiki-like functionalities (I'm thinking tiddlywiki). - Paulo Gomes
Love the tiddlywiki shoutout. (When will that tech come back to earth? So much potential) - Christopher Galtenberg
Oops, system failure again. We think we found the problem though. A nasty deadlock issue -- but hopefully fixable in short order. - Aaron Iba
Cheers Aaron. It's a huge hit here. And wow, hello AppJet! Nice tech, amigo. - Christopher Galtenberg
An interesting experience, to have typing and the other party reading be simultaneous... it removes the safety buffer of having to hit return, and has a different feel to it. Your sentence is seen by the other person as you're typing, correcting, shifting it... like when you're actually speaking in a conversation, where you may also correct yourself, look for words, etc. - Philipp Lenssen
superb substitute for paste in IRC on-the-fly collaborative coding situations: revisions acts as "version control," and multi-color highlighting representing users even works intra-line. - Adriano
How is the real-time shared editing realized? Similar to http://www.vimeo.com/1195398 or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... respectively? - Mustafa K. Isik
I do just want to point out that this functionality has been around for 25 years with UNIX's talk program. It is definitely not a new idea. - Robert Felty
Why stop there... Native Americans sent simultaneous smoke signals into the sky. And you thought they were innovators? Nope, just rank copycats. Birdsong. That's where it all began. - Christopher Galtenberg
Superb execution of an old idea is every bit as good as innovation; perhaps better. - kris. nuttycombe
SubEthaEdit. It existed years before Writely (Google Docs) and this web app is an almost exact copy of it. - Bill Strathearn
Bill, Wikipedia says "SubEthaEdit is a collaborative real-time editor designed for Mac OS X," so it's not a browser-based app? - Philipp Lenssen
That's right, SubEthaEdit is a native Mac app, so Mr. Strathearn is completely missing the point, as are most of the "this is nothing new, I used to do this with my 300 baud modem" crowd. - ⓞnor
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New feature: Feeds with Media RSS content tags of type video/x-flv or video/mp4 now have inline video players. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_RSS
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Paul, what's the process of getting your service integrated with FriendFeed? - Jesse Stay via twhirl
So, this is why one of my blog feeds displayed an annoying photo of me under every post in FF. It was the "podcast image" in the iTunes elements of the feed... I had to disable the option in feedburner. :-( Look here: http://friendfeed.com/vrypan?s... - Panayotis Vryonis
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I like this theme the best
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mine is "terminal", a little bit nostalgia :) - Eren Emre Kanal
So how's that Inbox Zero thing going? :P - Mike L
Finally! Now they should do the same with google reader! - Paulo Gomes
It still looks clunky dressed up with a little colour - Sally Church
Will have to wait and see. Gmail is still the only email interface I have ever liked - Deepak
That's the one I use at work. - Erica Baker
That's one of my favorites too. I haven't quite decided yet between Mountains, Planets and Night Shade. - Ray Metzen
No themes for me yet. Guess I have to be patient. - Mathew Ballard
Ninjas. F.T.W! - Cyndy
I just got my themes, and I'm using that one too. - Dave Winer
I'm using Graffiti... - joebrooks
Themes? I learn something today. Where are these themes? - Robert Couture
Themes rock!! iGoogle stuff is really cool - Susan Beebe
I'm shiny! try this: http://mail.google.com/mail/#s... - MLx
I like the desk, it's pretty sweet...I just noticed that the colours of the labels work well with most, if not all, of the themes. sweeeet - Rudolf Olah
Uh, you got some email there in your inbox. Like 875 of 'em. - Josh Haley
Those are just the unread ones Josh -- there are about 3000 total. In other news, if I haven't replied to your email yet, sorry about that, I'm a little behind... - Paul Buchheit
Half Dome, I go there tomorrow - I can send a post card to add to your Inbox if you'd like ;) - Nadine Schaeffer
That's the one I picked - Hutch Carpenter
No Themes over here yet.... - BeeLing
You gotta love gmail, I run my entire business through one gmail account, crazy -- I can't tell you how good it is to NOT use Outlook any more. - Kelly Johns
Is there someone using Outlook still? Who? Who! ; ) - Didier Lahely
Me. For work :P - BeeLing
Kelly, I agree! I'm unifying our orgs' communications through it and all the pretty hook-ups:RTM, Gcal, etc. It's a thing of beauty. :) - Melanie Reed
Who here thinks Paul is sincerely sorry that he hasn't replied to our emails yet? :-) - Bruce Lewis
I like the Shiny theme. - Dimitrios Diamantaras
I don't think I could take a different Gmail theme. That would completely throw me off, at least for a little while. - Nate Pilling via twhirl
I went with the ninjas too. - Miriam
+1 Nate. After trying each theme I went back to Classic. Everything else may be nice but just too distracting. - Alexander Ebel
this is my work account feed too - Alex Gawley
using the Tree, it changes as the weather changes - Svein Håvard Djupvik
I use Desk, all themes are great, but Desk is best of the all. - Kristian Salonen
Every one of them is grotesque. - Aaron deMello
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Wow. John Ziegler is incredibly rude and vulgar. - Robert Felty
I disagree with the characterization "Nate Silver embarrasses creator", though. The guy is completely shameless and therefore impossible to embarrass. - Ruchira S. Datta
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yesterday at 12:15 am - via Bookmarklet - Link
Is this the video that Camilla was talking about? - Paul Buchheit via Bookmarklet
Paul, not sure but here's a video of the same cat charging a box repeatedly. http://bit.ly/4eoZpP - Jauder Ho
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The trick: "You need to give people the freedom to spend and the freedom to make mistakes," says Takeo Fukui, Honda's 61-year-old president. "If management oversight is too strong, then it's difficult to innovate." - Rob Schonberger
Gem of a post! - Rahul Deodhar
"To be a company that society wants to exist." - Bill Strathearn
Entire industries, and nations, can rise or fall based on their understanding (or lack thereof) of this phenomenon. - Sean McBride
The motto "to be a company that society wants to exist" brings to mind Kevin Kelly's recent post on the near future and whether we can create a vision of collective betterment that motivates people instead of galvanizing them with fear of others: http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/... - Keith Pelczarski
I also liked their motto: "To be a company that society wants to exist." - Davide D'Incau
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“Is it safe to allow embed tags with arbitrary "src"? (assuming allowscriptaccess=never) I've read claims that it is not, however facebook and myspace seem to allow it.”
Tuesday at 10:27 pm - Link
Doesn't that make it easy to include some Flash or QuickTime that exploits a plug-in to pwn your browser? - Gabe
That's what I'm wondering. I should also mention setting type="application/x-shockwave-flash". The question is if the browsers are reliable enough to only allow flash (and not quicktime) and if the flash sandbox is reliable enough to stop cross-site scripting. - Paul Buchheit
There are some flaws in various versions of Flash that allow malformed SWF files to execute arbitrary code on the client. - Gabe
I'm pretty sure the HTTP Content-Type overrides the HTML type attribute. This would make you vulnerable to things like Quicktime movies with HREF tracks. Also, older versions of Flash don't support the allowscriptaccess attribute, so even if you could rely on the type attribute, users who don't upgrade their flash plugin would still be at risk. - Laurence Gonsalves
Any idea how Facebook and Myspace safely embed flash Laurence? - Paul Buchheit
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New FriendFeed service: 12seconds.tv. Add it here: http://friendfeed.com/settings/services/twelveseconds
Tuesday at 7:35 pm - Link
That's cool. - Neal "thePuck" Jansons
i don't use it but always nice to have one more. Be prepared for my mission to bring unwrapp.com onto friendfeed Paul :) - Zee. Just Zee.
Finally! Yippee! - Anika Malone
Anyone has invite? - Igor Poltavskiy
how about viddler ? - johnpiercy
Waaaaahooooooooo! Thanks guys, awesome. - Johnny Worthington
Igor: If I'm about 12seconds, I would give all FFers a reference code like "friendfeed".(or a link) Just now WITH THIS LAUNCH! : ) - Erhan Erdogan
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35 - The Size of Africa « Strange Maps
Monday at 2:37 am - via Bookmarklet - Link
"It shows how Africa (30,3 million km²) is larger than the combination of China (9,6 million km²), the US (9,4 million km²), Western Europe (4,9 million km²), India (3,2 million km²) and Argentina (2,8 million km²), three Scandinavian countries and the British Isles" - Paul Buchheit via Bookmarklet
The comments there are a treasure too! :) - Alex
It's as big as all the countries of Africa combined! - Gabe
hotbed of innovation and manufacture within 30 years - Gregory Lent
Alex: spot on. lol reading these comments. A dash of pedantry, a little bit of bigotry, some serious lack of geographical knowledge: so much fun! :) - Mathieu Ayel
beg to differ somewhat with Gregory. It might become hotbed of innovation but not any time soon. Conflicts, political instability, lack of decent governance and underlying infrastructures and institutions will not allow it to resonate in a way to become a hotbed of innovation. In small pockets though, it happens even now, especially in countries like Kenya and Ghana in everything from innovative approaches to private education to inventing incredible devices for water cleaning. - Hayk
Moreover, the size and comparison of African continent with other continents and countries is little more than a nice figure illustrative of geography. - Hayk
30 years, hyak, things will move fast, but i know what you are saying, seems nearly hopeless, impossible .. but the world "vibration" will make it happen faster than is logical (my opinion) - Gregory Lent
Gregory, i did not mean logic. Living on this continent since 1.5 years and seeing their mentality and their potential, I believe that nothing short of dramatic consciousness change, to borrow your term, will turn people on this continent into economic machines of production. I generalize, apparently. - Hayk
me too :-) ... i really have nothing to base this on .. except two things .. the creativity they have with basically nothing, even bricks are rare sometimes .. the way they are doing the cellphone thing is a hopeful sign .. and the other is from african art, every culture made masks with some sort of design feature where the third eye is .. there is an innate plugged-in-ness there, so that when it gets a bit stable, it will flow .. and the gates foundation should only do education, malaria will then take - Gregory Lent
care of itself - Gregory Lent
Also, Africa had this "misfortune" of being on top of all kinds of natural resources which became valued at one point or another. As it said in Blood Diamonds, "every time a precious resource is found on this continent,innocent people die, country is plundered." Pouring money only to sustain lives without any solid self-sustainable policies in education or infrastructure is sort of a band-aid. Tackling malaria is what appeals the most to inner sensitivities of Gates :) - Hayk
Africa is the cradle of our species.. says a lot about how out of touch we have become when we treat our birthplace with such distain. No wonder we're raping and pillaging everything we can. Makes you wonder if the attempts at keeping the African nations as undeveloped as possible is to turn the place into the next middle east when the rest of our resources have been spent. - alphaxion
+1 Gabe - Rebecca Sun
Thinking economy is taking out limited resources is wrong... Economy is added value man made... Today wealth comes from service... picking was thousands years ago, agriculture hundreds and industry last 2 centuries... - jfayel
Abundant natural resources have historically made countries very wealthy. What makes Africa different? - Gabe
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“New feature from Casey: It's now possible to hide just a single blog. (in the past, I would have had to hide all of Dan's blogs)”
New feature from Casey: It's now possible to hide just a single blog. (in the past, I would have had to hide all of Dan's blogs)
Monday at 5:36 pm - Link
By popular request :) (hiding a single blog, not hiding Dan's blog) - Paul Buchheit
Paul, nice, is bulk removing from Home feed in the works ? - Kyle Weller
Nice, I was waiting for this. - Philipp Lenssen
Super-like! - Rob Diana
Great feature - Mike Doeff
ta-dam!)) - Эшка
Hip-hip-HOORAY! - Anika Malone
SAHWEEEEEET!! - Josh Haley
Yay!!!! - Shannon Jiménez
OK, so Hide each of Dan Hsiao's blogs, got it. - Josh Haley
Good work guys. - Louis Gray
Freaking awesome! - ♫ Rahsheen™
Fan-bloody -tastic - Zee. Just Zee.
OH YES! - Shey
OMG You guys RULE. - Mona N.
*searches for random "blogs" to hide* - ♫ Rahsheen™
OMG. I'm in love with Casey. - Cyndy
Kyle, you can already remove say everyone's Twitter feed from your home feed. - Anika Malone
awesome!! - Justin Korn
i. love. this. feature. (said in ballmer voice) - MG Siegler
I LOVE YOU FF!!! - Stupid Blogger (aka Tina)
Thank you. - tehKenny
Many, many thanks, you guys! Is there a place I can go to edit the blogs I'm hiding currently? - flammable
Wooo hooo!! finally the custom blog hide feature arrives!! - Susan Beebe
Smurf-tastic!!!! - AJ Kohn
YAY! - Rochelle
excellent - Duncan Riley
Great new FriendFeed feature! - Mike Reynolds
YES. FINALLY!! - Tim Hoeck
hell. yes. - tiffany
Smart FF!:) - Igor Poltavskiy
I should go back to feeding my last.fm recently played *chuckle* - Michael W. May
Finally! how cool. - Juan Pablo González
I think I'm in love. Thanks, Friendfeed team, you are so responsive! - Laura Norvig
114 Likeys ... gotta be a record - Charlie Anzman
I want the like button to come back so I can hit it again! - Phil Glockner
Very good! - Hutch Carpenter
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Malcolm Gladwell's Method - WSJ.com
Monday at 2:41 am - via Bookmarklet - Link
"Do you worry that you extrapolate too much from too little? No. It's better to err on the side of over-extrapolation. These books are playful in the sense that they regard ideas as things to experiment with. I'm happy if somebody reads my books and reaches a conclusion that is different from mine, as long as the ideas in the book cause them to think. You have to be willing to put pressure on theories, to push the envelope. That's the fun part, the exciting part. If you are writing an intellectual adventure story, why play it safe? I'm not out to convert people. I want to inspire and provoke them." - Paul Buchheit via Bookmarklet
I often feel the same way. Ideas are so fun that it's annoying to feel limited to well supported and justified ideas (as long as we remember that they are just ideas, not facts). - Paul Buchheit
and demanding "proof" where ideas are concerned is nearly immoral .. the idea IS the proof ... "scientific" reality is a much narrower realm - Gregory Lent
Has anyone compared this book with "Talent is Overrated?" - Piaw Na
Agree with Paul and Gregory! - Hayk
I liked that line about how "opportunity is basically a chance to practice" - Adam Kazwell
i won't bother to read anymore of this guy ... bought a couple of pirate copies of the earlier stuff on the streets of bangalore, thank god i didn't pay full price, banality in a suit or a lab coat is still banality .. he appeals to people who want to feel they are on to something ... ask them what it was a week later, they won't remember ... - Gregory Lent
Ideas indeed - Christopher Galtenberg
Completely agree with you Gregory Lent! Not a fan of Gladwell. - Clay B.
I guess it's nice that he's having fun. I tried reading The Tipping Point, but I thought it relied too much on unwarranted conclusions. I hope his fans understand that it's just playful exploration, but the strong recommendations I heard for his books made them sound more solid than that. - seth
I've read Blink and the Tipping Point, and enjoyed both of them very much. I think he has a very nice writing style, and covers interesting topics. In my opinion, he does a pretty nice job of mixing personal stories with actual research. In this interview WSJ calls his books "business books", but I don't seem them as business books at all. - Robert Felty
reader's digest writer for the 00's - Gregory Lent
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xkcd - A Bunch of Rocks
Monday at 2:46 am - via Bookmarklet - Link
Reminds me of an old sci-fi short I once read about a guy who didn't see, and who was sitting in an empty hall for all eternity... and who then went about to basically recreate a working universe in his head. Won't spoil the ending to that one :) Anyone knows the title/ author of it, though? [cross-posted to reddit] - Philipp Lenssen
darn good comic approximation to David Deutsch's book _The Fabric of Reality_ ;) - Adriano
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"I.Q.s around the world appeared to be rising by 0.3 points per year, or three points per decade, for as far back as the tests had been administered. For some reason, human beings seemed to be getting smarter." - Paul Buchheit
It does seem like a bit of a leap to extrapolate from "Chinese in S.F. Chinatown in the 1970s" to North East Asian Americans in general. - Sanjeev Singh
Also the "black american GI children in germany" studies could be explained by the fact that military screening equalized the IQs of black and white servicemen stationed there. - Sanjeev Singh
after reading closer, I realize Gladwell makes Saletan look evil by misquoting him. Saletan himself thinks that environmental interventions that raise IQ from 83 to 97 are a big deal (and a good thing) but you would not know that reading this article. - Sanjeev Singh
people are becoming more conscious, iq, as crude as it is, simply follows along - Gregory Lent
the claim that IQ is rising can be compared to the claim that living standards of the world have risen since the WW2, but this would be overly generalizing and missing the mark (such as widening gap between the rich and the poor,etc). - Hayk
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“I wish it were easier to find out how much things cost. In other news, it appears that rail freight costs an average of 3¢ per Ton-Mile (so it would cost about $30 to ship one ton, 1000 miles), and the average car load is about 60 tons, so 1 car 1000 miles = $1800.”
Monday at 1:32 am - Link
what in the world are you shipping? - Tsega Dinka
Nothing, I just like to know approximate numbers. It's difficult to understand anything if you don't understand the cost structure. - Paul Buchheit
Haha, fair enough. This is some next level understanding of the world you're at. Color me impressed. :) - Tsega Dinka
Don't forget that those are averages, meaning they are heavily skewed (40%) towards coal. Coal is often shipped 120 tons per car, and it's unit freight (meaning the whole train is coal), so it's probably much cheaper than your average freight. - Gabe
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in a submarine? :D - AJ Batac
The boiler room? - Occasional Headbanger
The torpedo room. ;-) http://flickr.com/photos/cmipe... - cmiper
Sam Adam's brewery? - Adam Thorsen
Steampunk submarine? - Raanan Avidor
your bunker? - WorldofHiglet
Raanan, that's what I was thinking in the link I posted above. ;-) - cmiper
Japan? I see a flag. - Peter
probably the uss pampanito in san francisco, torpeo tube 7 - David Vasileff
Peter, it's made in Japan. :P - AJ Batac
Doing the laundry. - Chris Loft
is that a little japanese flag sticker? - bob
Making me some coffee - Chris W
Isn't that the USS Pampanito? - Carlos Granier-Phelps
Yeap... here's a photo I took in 06: http://skitch.com/cgranier/53a... - Carlos Granier-Phelps
It's not made in Japan, it's made _for_ Japan... And David got it -- the USS Pampanito in SF. - Paul Buchheit
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Chart of the Dow Jones Industrial Averages since 1974
October 9 at 2:42 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
"Oct 9, 2002: 7286 - New 2002 low - Dow down 37.8% from Jan 14, 2000 all time high. October 9, 2007: 14164 - New all time high on the Dow" - Paul Buchheit via Bookmarklet
Today: 8,579.19. Predictions? I came up with the number 5000 for some reason. - Paul Buchheit
i thought we'd end the week @9k and the month @8k. now, not so sure. i just hope nobody does a press conf (Paulson on Wed) or releases an econ report (JDPower on Thur) @3P again and tanks the DOW at the close! - MikeAmundsen
I thought the Dow was supposed to be at 36,000. I want my money back. - Jim Norris
I was thinking around 7700, because that's about where things ended up after the dotcom crash. I keep seeing these two mountains when I look at the ten-year graph. Also, if you draw a straight line between when it started going up in the 80s through around '94 when it started to rise drastically, it comes out in that range. Of course, it could over-correct, which would be in the 5000 range. - Chris White
these charts aren't brilliant for one thing: it's not an apple and oranges comparison due to GDP growth/ size of the economy. That we're not at historic lows yet doesn't mean that the lows aren't bad in the context that the economy is sizably bigger today - Duncan Riley
Chris, it bottomed at 7286 in 2002. My thinking is that this may be worse than whatever happened in 2002, so it is likely to go below that (especially if we all expect it to...). - Paul Buchheit
MikeAmundsen, President Bush has a press conference scheduled for 10am tomorrow. Paul, I got my figure from using the Google Finance app by sliding along the graph, which is probably not the most exact way of calculating. :) - Chris White
Maybe the Treasury is going to buy the entire market. Free money for everyone! - Paul Buchheit
Federal Reserve eat world. - Morton Fox
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!! - Tad, Weirdo Supreme
If you won't invest, we'll do it for you. - Chris White
@Chris: yipes! i'll have to keep an eye out in the AM. big probl i have is the foreign markets. i'm on a crash course to figure out how we're affecting each other now. never thought i'd be monitoring the econs of Iceland and Pakistan, et al like i am now. - MikeAmundsen
@Paul: i used to figure on 30% correction, but the panic is more than i'd accounted for. but 5k - sheesh, that's deep. - MikeAmundsen
TYPO: Sept 17, 2000 8920 The biggest one day fall (685 points) ... It should be 2001, not 2000. Bush not Clinton. - david beckwith
most recent hedge fund numbers + investor letters from some top names http://dealbreaker.com/2008/10... - david A
I was looking at the history of the DOW and wondered what the current number would be if you took the average growth rate between inception and 1980. By eyeballing it it looks like it would be between 5K and 6K. Not sure we'll dive that low but history can be telling. - AJ Kohn
Yeah, that's roughly how I picked out 5000, which I think is reasonable since there is a tendency for people to overreact. - Paul Buchheit
yeah, i reviewed the 1929 thing and did a bald overlay against 2008. would mean 6k by jan-2010, dead-cat bounce of 9k in may-2010. then, if you take that to it's end, would mean DOW hits very bottom @1200 in July-2011. - MikeAmundsen
is anyone else buying stock (in smallish chunks)? if so what are you buying. - paulm
as I expected, that break'neck change in 70's has been along Nixon shock and Brettonwood crash. Now we are looking into face of fiat money crash, presumably... - silpol
I'm buying some Apple on Monday. Once the market calms down it still will be a good market for a stock-picker. Right now, the market is acting as a stock market, and not like a market of stocks. This will change, When and at what price the market bottoms, is hard to say, but I'll be ready when it does! - Michael Fidler
it will be interesting to see how apple's announcements change stock price in this climate. their stock usually goes crazy w