Andy -- it does, for at least the moment when I wrote it. I had just read something insipid on TM that no one was pointing to. When ever I see that I think what poor taste Gabe has. And I'm reminded that Scoble says, and I agree, that TechMeme is just Gabe's blog, and absolutely nothing more than that. He's got a lot of people snowed into thinking it's got some magic, but I don't buy it. - Dave Winer
Yes Loic, and that moment too. Thank you for reminding me that I am an imperfect human being. :-) - Dave Winer
Duncan I'm not so sure about that, but thank you for the vote of confidence. - Dave Winer
Dave we all are :-) happy new year to you. I will not that sentence you used for my next imperfection! - Loic Le Meur
interesting line on it being Gabe's blog. Good line from Scoble, and very much accurate. Why people believe it's some sort of magic ranking system is beyond me, given the evidence to the contrary. Sad thing for Gabe: the advertisers will work this out soon as well - Duncan Riley
@DaveWiner: i bet if you upped ante on "fuck off gabe" tweet -> a blog rant it makes @TechMeme (pulls up chair & some popcorn ;) - dave mcclure
dave, most times i don't care -- i had just read something idiotic (like what you suggest) on tm and thought what a waste. then i got over it and went on.save the popcorn for arrington's latest shoe bomb. - Dave Winer
@davewiner lots of people have issues with techmeme. Duncan Riley even has a new name for it CRUNCHMEME - Sidharth Dassani
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To be fair, Dave, you didn't break any important news or start a bitchmeme lately. I am sad that you've joined the mob in shooting the messenger on this one. It's not Gabe's fault that people aren't linking to you. People aren't linking to anyone much any more on their blogs, be that the Twitter/FriendFeed effect or just that there is a real news drought underway. Bitching at Gabe is pointless. - Paul Montgomery
Paul -- I'm just sharing my point of view, and that is never pointless. That's the credo of blogging. - Dave Winer
Paul, what Dave is pointing out is that exactly because of the news drought, at least some of the stuff that he put out while other didn't should have been there. - Amit Morson
Paul, Dave's proposed among other things a Feedburner alternative. A 2 second check of his link profile refutes your entire comment. But I do agree with one point: bitching at Gabe is pointless. He won't hear, his heads to far up Arrrington's arse to notice - Duncan Riley
Duncan: Are other bloggers picking up on any of the things Dave is writing? Bitter comments from slighted bloggers aside, TechMeme is algorithmic, even if Gabe selects stories manually as well. None of the blogs I've read have been linking to Scripting News lately, so I wouldn't expect Dave's blog to register as noteworthy by TM (no offense intended). - John Zipp
John, have you been watching TechMeme -- they include quite a few posts that no one is pointing to. Just FYI. (And I could use some perjorative terms to describe you, but I won't -- just note that it's not generally a great thing to do to someone who's right here -- if you want non-flamey discourse.) - Dave Winer
John, it's not exclusively algorithmic. It's a mixture of link profiles and hand picked links. And it weighs links depending on the source: I'm completely banned, and as I've proved in numbers before, it treats sites like Mashable poorly as well, as it is with Dave. Context: Loic LeMeur is on the leaderboard. Love Loic, but numbers and links vs Dave...do some homework - Duncan Riley
They like Fred Wilson too, and inexplicably (ha) two posts from the TechMeme blog ranked highly as well, even though no one was pointing to them. And that's just from memory. If I were taking notes there would be lots more, but I'm working on other things. - Dave Winer
Look at ourselves, Techmeme has forced many of us to become helpless drones stuck to a machine, a link on Techmeme isn't the be all and end all, what about the link from the bloggers, the people who actually read your content and respond, surely you should be working towards that Goal! - Josh Chandler
Good one, Mark. Doubt he's ever heard that one before. - Akiva Moskovitz
Techmeme tried to be fully automatic but couldn't pull it off. The human intervention there however is partly motivated by ego and personal "issues". - Amit Morson
Dave: telling someone to F off is usually pointless, and hardly constitutes a cogent point of view. I think I might have to (gasp!) blog about this issue to get my point across more intelligently. - Paul Montgomery
Amazon keeps quietly solving problems that are going to reshape the web. This really gets you thinking about what's possible. - Dave Winer
...they sure seem to be figuring out how to extend their reach via affiliates and also efficiently outsource their incredibly deep transactional capabilities. they also consistently monitor and track all activity of interest to selling products and/or services of every stripe. Quiet yes, but also measurable, imo. - Gregg
An excellent paid content/subscription model. - Tom Mancino
"I understand and agree. I've also asked that they support the "remotekey"
concept, like FriendFeed. The key would not give anyone but the user access
to the Twitter user interface, so changing the password or email address
wouldn't be possible, but the app would be able to do stuff through the API.
Whether OAuth is the mechanism or IP filters is an orthogonal issue.
http://friendfeed.com/api/faq#..." - Dave Winer
I did not fall for the recent Phishing scheme so one of three things has happened, my password was hacked through a flaw in Twitter, one of the many services (NOT twply) that I gave my credentials to has hijacked it, or someone guessed the password. - Leo Laporte
Yep, spam and mlm are going to be a massive problem for Twitter mainly because spammers have a business model and twitter does not, here's an article I wrote on this topic just before Christmas http://experiencecurve.com/arc... - karl
I figured there would be some good conversation on TWiT regarding the hacks, now even more so. - Matt Mutz
This is not about pfishing.. this is something else - Ian D. Nock
i'll assume you put a strong password on somehow, yes? So that would mean something gave away your password or there was a bored hacker somewhere that zapped you...sorry to hear that.... - Live4Soccer
That's Harsh. It had to have been Kevin Rose. He knew you were on to him - Marcus Beagley
@Leo - Maybe one of those third party services isn't securely storing your credentials and it was stolen from them. I'm saying that maybe the third party isn't malicious, just careless. - Mitch
Leo, the Twitter official blog says they reset the passwords on your behalf - Mark
Was Leo using Power Twitter at the time? New App new problem, coincidence? - SkiCat56
Get on the Red Phone and get @ev on the line. I've always knew giving out login credentials to 3rd party apps would lead to this. I like ping.fm and FF's use of an API key a lot better. - Dave Senior
Twitter needs to say more about what it was.. but my feeling this is something in the infrastructure or through people ... after all, Obama has not used his account for sometime. - Ian D. Nock
And you can bet that no-one messes around with all the apps using that account - Ian D. Nock
Well let's hope they don't make any horrible statements on your behalf about your sexual orientation or organs. :-) - Dave Winer
Twitter should use also something like apikey like ff, password for controlling your account and apikey for getting your content... or something like that :) - tanel
I heard from a reliable twitter account that Bill O'Reily is hot for manflesh.... - Mitch
No self-respecting gay man wants Bill O'Reilly. Not. A. One. - Derrick
Twitter may have reset my password but they haven't told me yet. Maybe they need my email? - Leo Laporte
I bet they wished they had followed Dave's advice about the authentication key thingy xx - Mark
I'm not a celebrity so probably no need to worry, but I changed my password nonetheless. - Herb
That's why I don't use 3rd party web services, don't trust any. Also Log-in on twitter.com using https. - Jay Barcelo
I think Leo put his fingers on the possible hacker routes. Pretty ugly. - Chris Baskind
Is Power Twitter one of the culprits??? I might have to uninstall it. - Roberto Bonini
New official blog post says "These accounts were compromised by an individual who hacked into some of the tools our support team uses to help people do things like edit the email address associated with their Twitter account when they can't remember or get stuck" - Mark
Good grief! This is getting ridiculous. - Bill Sodeman
Hey now.. that's not cool. What did Leo ever do to you? Albrecht voices/suspects a hack on Diggnation podcast and now this? - Jamie Wareham
Geez Leo what a pain. I am sorry to hear.... - Rob Cairns
Is nothing sacred anymore? Seriously, Leo's Twitter! - Mike Syrek
"Actually I was kidding, but I left out the smiley so I apologize for saying your flame was very lame. And so far no one has flamed. I think the flamers understand their flames won't be last very long here and have found more fertile ground. At least that's what I hope. :-)" - Dave Winer
"Easily. It's no different for OAuth. The only thing OAuth does is makes it easy to revoke the authorization of someone you've already authorized. While they have authorization, they could do a lot of damage. Same difference." - Dave Winer
"So invert it -- make the checkboxes enable access instead of disabling it.
Somewhere in here, whether it's OAuth or whatever, there's going to be a
page with checkboxes on it." - Dave Winer
"If that's supposed to be a flame, that's pretty lame for a flame. And I'm
not sure about any of the objections you raise, I could easily refute all of
them." - Dave Winer
"Oh come now, use the brain god gave you. It's so simple to just flip it
around and say "block all but the checked addresses" -- all filtering
systems have this kind of flexibility. My readers are smart so I didn't
think I needed to fill in this level of detail, I thought it would be
insulting to their intelligence." - Dave Winer
"Tell me more. Does your product suck? How does it compare to the
competition? If they're better than you, what's stopping your customers from
switching?" - Dave Winer
Need list is food, clothes, house/car payments, sometimes gasoline. - Jeremiah Owyang
i used to not bother with that question. got me in alot of financial issues, now i do it all the time :) and turns out i dont need half the stuff i have :) - Jay Martinez
Coincidently, the 'want' list could be the same items. - Jeremiah Owyang
That question would have us living in the fertile crescent thinking the world was flat. It's want that drives society, not need. Be it want for knowledge "I want to know what is over that hill" or want for spiritual understanding "I want to know why I'm here" or want of toys "I want a better way mulch my lawn clippings" or want of the flesh "I want a hot three way with the chick at the video store" - Matthew DeVries
Jeremiah, this is the question that could truly improve the status of our world. - Cody Heitschmidt
Matthew, I think you are right on as well, your comment applies to spiritual, intellectual things and we have to continue to push our own personal envelopes on that side and never stop wanting!!! I believe it is the physical material item side of things that Jeremiah is speaking of. Does that make sense in anyone else's head besides mine? Very few of us NEED half the worthless crap we buy! - Cody Heitschmidt
That is pretty much what marketing has done to us - it convinces us things we WANT we actually NEED. What we need is food, shelter and companionship - what we want is everything else. - HollowMarkeD
Ask myself those questions all the time. Conspicuous consumption isn't for all of us. - Sally Church
LOL! I ask my self that everytime! and I tell that to all my friends too. - Colide81 (James)
Is want a bad thing now? I prefer "can I afford this" :) - Soulhuntre
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After you've decided that you NEED it, I usually see how much I have to work for it... So I'll divide it by my hourly rate, and look at it and say, "Hmm, this costs me n-hours of work... " and its a second-phase evaluation - Colin Charles
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also helps to sleep on big purchases. that trick has saved me some money - sigurdur thor johannesson
Yeah, but it makes life kind of boring. - Rutger Blom
Get Rich Slowly blog gave a good tip on even wants: Ask yourself whether you'd rather have what's tempting you or that trip you planned (or whatever "want" goal you're saving up for). Helps you prioritize. - Spidra Webster
The real need list is very short. Think about how little some people have been surviving on. What we have usually is some high-priority wants masquerading as needs, but that's not a problem. It's just an indication of standard of living. - Morton Fox
As someone with multiple biology degrees, I can state with certainty the only things you need, are a carbon source and energy source. --Dr. Eisenberg Microbiology 1998 - Matthew DeVries
If you want something just buy it. Consumption society is what keeps this world spinning. You should however at any time be prepared to live without all these "must-have" things you bought. - Rutger Blom
Before purchasing anything (particularly, expensive items), I give myself a 1-month window— for both doing research (reading reviews, manuals, etc) and deciding if I really want/need that particular product. If after a month I still want it, and depending on my budget at the time, I'll then buy it— if not, than I don't and move on. - Nick Humphries
OpenID itself isn't designed address application to application authentication, that's the domain of OAuth, API keys and such. Just to nit pick. - Micah Wittman
We wouldn't have to worry about Twitter phishing if they'd just f**king support OAuth already. - Voyagerfan5761
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Micah - what is the difference between OAuth and OpenID anyway? - Mona N.
I've got OpenID on my blog :D I'm leet! - Will Higgins
Mona, at the risk of being accused of stating the obvious, OAuth deals with authorization (am I allowed to do this?) whereas OpenID deals with identity/authentication (am I who I say I am?). - Jauder Ho
Mona, OAuth: "An open protocol to allow secure API authentication in a simple and standard method from desktop and web applications." But that's pretty dry. If you're not already sub'd to Chris Messina http://friendfeed.com/factoryj... run, don't walk - I'd say he's the go to guy for OpenID and OAuth :) - Micah Wittman
Seriuosly, all this stuff is gibberish to me, since I am not interested in the topic at all. So any information is helpful. :) And um LOL @ how simple it is. Right when I hear OAuth/OpenID, my brain goes into auto LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU mode. ha! - Mona N.
If all this OpenID etc stuff is so hard to explain even to technical people, it is too complicated for the mainstream in current form. - Jemm
If you think OAuth/OpenID is painful, try reading about SAML and XACML. It's an important problem that needs to be solved but has not been explained in an easy to understand manner yet. - Jauder Ho
no, we'l be seeing phishing attempts at openid instead... I don't trust all my authentication in one basket schemes like that, something about it just rubs me up the wrong way.. - alphaxion
Yeah! Mona is on the OpenID bandwagon! Woohoo!! - ·[▪_▪]·
I agree with Mona on this one. I think OpenID is the way to go, but then if your OpenID account was hacked, then all subscribed services will be hacked too. - Vinko
I don't know if you guys read my "What is this OpenID Everyone Speaks Of" post, but I explained I'm one of "those" not concerned with security... It's kind of sad but the reason I expressed interest in it was the flood of phishing Tweets... (ducks from booing and peripherals thrown at her head) - Mona N.
@ Mona My Macs (8 and counting) have had none in two decades. So I am sort of in your camp. But I have this uneasy feeling there is a nerd out there who just hates the Mac minions for being so smug and is working to create one ugly Trojan. I guess because I have to grant permission for anything to install, and I ain't about to do that, I feel somewhat safe, too. - Phil Boiarski
Mona, why would OpenID be immune to being hijacked? Where's the silver bullet? I don't get it. - Dave Winer
OpenID is not the holy grail, especially in this instance. It is not designed to thwart phishing attacks of this nature. People would have still mindlessly clicked the link, surfed to the site and merely logged in with their OpenID without ever thinking twice. Just like many folks did with their Twitter credentials. - Scott Jarkoff
@Dave: I understood that she doesn't care whether it is secure or not. - Jemm
Re OAuth, it seems to me the same could be accomplished without making app developers jump through a whole new set of complicated hoops. All they have to do is let the user block access to their accounts from domains they've never heard of. Same way credit card companies deal with fraud. Don't want www.spamfarm.com to use your Twitter account? Check this box. Done deal. Same as OAuth, without the complexity of OAuth. - Dave Winer
Ok. I didn't take the time to explain this in full detail last night but now feel compelled to justify my position. I've always been curious about OpenID http://friendfeed.com/search?q... even wrote what this "OpenID/OAuth thing"http://friendfeed.com/e/496509... I did my research and understand the process and advantages of single log-in. So technically, everyone here is correct. OpenID would not have prevented people click - Mona N.
ing the links (since we even get phished on other sites ie: e-mail) but raised more awareness about security, what to click, what not to click (well - basically common sense rudimentary Internet knowledge). However, most users aren't really concerned with the technicalities (unfortunately) and the jargon would tune people out. So my thing is trying to make technologies I feel is beneficial, relevant. That said, instead of Tweeting: You know, if Twitter secured its APIs, we wouldn't have to keep entering our - Mona N.
passwords at various third party sites, been used to not giving out our Twitter log-ons and passwords, therefore, would've questioned the phishing site (why doesn't use OpenID?) which probably would've prevented the mass Tweet warning... but I'm not smart enough to sum taht up in 140 characters or less. ;) - Mona N.
Unless it was a website that pretended to use OpenID and went so far as to fake the landing pages of the providers... - xero
So perhaps the next logical question would be: What made the phishers quit targeting e-bay? I haven't received an e-bay phishing e-mail in years. - Mona N.
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Mona - I get them almost every day :(. But they go to my school email address which will get shut off pretty soon. - Shawn Farner
Still? Strange - perhaps Gmail has better filters. I've had the same personal email (Gmail) since March of 2004ish? Perhaps earlier, I don't remember, but I never get phishing emails anymore. - Mona N.
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OMFG I can has Ben & Jerry's Phish Food now thanks :) - Joe Dawson
It's men, because they reached the positions to get the opportunity. A women caused an Israeli bank to collapse a few years ago. If she wrote from research instead of perspective, she would have known better. - Amit Morson
Yup. The men are screwing up, because the men are there to do the screwing up (mostly). - Korey
Whenever something bad happens, some woman somewhere will jump up to announce that women are DIFFERENT, women are BETTER, and if only more women had been in charge, the bad thing would never have happened. Oh, and by the way, only women ever have any trouble balancing work and family. Only women love their children. And so on, and so on, and so on. People aren't as quick to recognize and reject stereotypes when they're flattering ones. - Pat Rice
Yup. Most of us were raised by women, they taught us to think women were better than men. Not surprising to see that's rarely challenged when it comes up in discourse among adults. Surprising that the Washington Post let's that get through their editorial process. Imagine the outrage if, for example, women were blamed for inadequate education or nutrition of children. That would be sexist of course. - Dave Winer
im glad to see America is wasting their time on articles like this (...sarcasm) - Stanley Stevens
the article seems very ellen jamesian - Jim Posner
Twitter should adopt something like the Friendfeed's remote key as a short-term solution. Of couse, it's not as complete as OAuth, but it's simple enough to implement and does the job. - fbrunel
It was Twitter's simplicity, a large infusion of cash to make it stable, and then the hyper multi-media play (CNN, etc.) that increased activity on the service many called 'dead' last year at this time. There are lessons to be learned here. Once a product reaches a very high level of users, there will always be security concerns along the way - Charlie Anzman
OAuth is over-complicated. You could do the same thing by validating specific domains to use your existing credentials. Twitter already does this when throttling apps to 100 requests per hour per IP address. Only realized this today when I got throttled. - Dave Winer
OAuth is designed to let you choose what permissions you give to which domains, so you need per-user, per-domain tokens. It's also designed to be revocable - Kevin Marks
Kevin, exactly the same can be done using domains w/o the complexity for apps. - Dave Winer
"I had this exact *conversation* with Gil Yehuda of Forrester. In the conversation, he tweeted: "@bhc3 still not like discussion forum. If this answer was delayed an hour, how'd you know what I was answering? (even with @ or DM)?" I put the onus on each party after the initial tweet. I'll often use "re:" in my reply tweets (e.g. "re: dinner at Chez Panisse") for the reasons you outline above - it can be hard to know to what I'm replying.
It's a convention I've picked up due to Twitter's lack of threading. FriendFeed more closely satisfies the threaded conversations for me. Not sure I'd want to see things overly threaded like a discussion forum." - Hutch Carpenter
And after you've established the context, how many of the 140 characters do you have left? And when you talk about your dinner, everyone else wants to know about the dinner. That's 5 tweets right there. Now someone tells you you're talking too much about stuff they don't care about. And that's when you realize you can't have a conversation on Twitter. - Dave Winer
Not many Dave, not many. But I've managed to work through that. Subtle things, like the pace of the back-n-forth, or quickly sending a second tweet after the first, lend themselves to having a conversation. But those are user hacks. Something built-in would be a real advance in the conversational functions. - Hutch Carpenter
Maybe we need a new word for something in between 'broadcast' and 'conversation' - Don Schuetze
Who cares if someone tells you you're talking too much about dinner? If you KNOW you're talking too much about dinner, it doesn't matter if they don't like it. - Will Higgins
"People at big companies often are underpaid, with stock options going nowhere, and feel unappreciated by their colleagues, and when they look outside their company they see lots of people who look happy and successful, making more money than they are, without the political troubles and strategy taxes, and they feel like they're doing all the work. (Of course we look at them and see much the same thing, the grass is always greener over there.)" - Dave Winer
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I like the writeup. At the same time I must admit that I hope someday my own project will turn into one of those big companies Dave distrusts. - Bruce Lewis
I think it's possible to create a corporate culture that isn't dysfunctional this way, but it's really hard -- I started my own company and it got big enough so that it had these problems. When ever I heard people saying the customers were stupid, I said if that's true we're really fucked. We have to believe our customers are the smartest people, cause they were smart enough to choose the best product. If they were stupid, then they chose the wrong product and you'd better start looking for a job. - Dave Winer
New optional param, flLastSeparator, default true. If false, we don't include the last separator character. In some cases the days don't represent folders, they are files, so you don't want the separator character at the end. - Dave Winer
"But it's hard to make oneself understood in 140 characters -- that's why
conversation, beyond grunting "hello everybuddy," is so hard in Twitter." - Dave Winer
Most overnight successes take an Alaskan winter. - Akiva Moskovitz
Great post, Paul. One of the running themes of a lot of the posts yesterday seemed to come from "well, it's been a year: FriendFeed should be in a much different place," but great things take time to do. - Mark Trapp
Scott Berkun wrote a really fine book entitled "the myths of innovaiton" (http://www.amazon.com/Myths-In...). He points out that perhaps the greatest myth of innovation is that the innovation arrives in it's entirety in a single moment in time. Essentially that the innovation was a single flash of insight and execution. The reality is it comes piecemeal over time. - Brian Roy
Nice Paul, there are a whole boatload of startup / project myths I wish we could bust. The "overnight success" is one of the worst. - mikepk
Brain, exactly, and the myth there is the "one idea" that precipitates success drives me crazy too. I wrote a post (and reposted it a few months ago) about this one. http://mikepk.com/2008/07/i-wr... - mikepk
excellent Paul and while I have expressed my thoughts before I just may take you up on the "post your ideas" - Steven Hodson
Amen!! Peeps tend to see "web celebs," for example, once they're up there ... but no one sees the *years* of hard work prior! I like to say I'm an overnight success 10 years in the making!! :) - Mari Smith
Another interesting effect is that the VC cycle is predicated on hyper growth and 2 to 5 year return on investment. That helps push some ideas to failure even though, if given a more natural growth curve, they might have succeeded. - mikepk
+1 Mikepk - VC funding creates a hyper-focus on geometric growth instead of creating a sustainable company... Those two are NOT the same thing. - Brian Roy
Hyper-growth is dangerous because it forces a lot of short term moves, such as hiring the wrong people because you need them _now_. I suspect that better companies come out of busts than booms because they are able to grow at a reasonable pace. - Paul Buchheit
Epitome of why I love, trust, and believe in FriendFeed. Classy, Paul and thank you for sharing with the community. - Mona N.
Tell me about it. I got the arrows in my back to prove it. :-) - Dave Winer
Nice summary, Paul. As I mentioned in a comment on the post, it's clear you understand we care, and that we didn't intend to open the door for those clamoring for you to fail - but it was a natural result. - Louis Gray
"Once we launched, the response was surprisingly positive, except from the people who hated it for a variety of reasons. " - Clare Dibble
Although I have a love-hate affair with FriendFeed and my interest periodically peaks and wanes, Confucius says 'never trust a man who wears a beret the wrong way round'. - Andy C
@Paul - "Yes, technically you're doing my work for me, but it's mutually beneficial because we'll do our best to create a product that you like". Was this supposed to be an indirect response to Dave W asking you to pay him consulting for his ideas? - kartik vaithyanathan
So true. People think that from registering a domain to becoming a millonaire takes 1 idea and a couple of months. It took our company 10-years to do something "successful". - Martin Añazco
Been around this block a few times myself Paul. There is a pheneomenon out there around second ventures after the first was a winner. Let's have a talk about this over a beer after the outcome of FF is known. And also, I wouldn't necessarily count on the experience of selling a "product" inside a juggernaut like Google as being the same thing as making something work in the blogosphere or where ever it is FF is supposed to be planted. - Dave Winer
One more thing -- you're a very good writer -- but there's something else that isn't in your post. The odds against all startups are overwhelmingly against them. Ask Ev about Odeo someday. Your post is remarkably like the things he was writing about that product. And like the stuff I was saying after my company's IPO and was starting my second company. Unfortunately this was before blogs, so you'll have to take my word for it. I didn't really consider the possibility of failure. And of course we did fail. - Dave Winer
Great post Paul. Too many companies (see Webvan and slew of others) thought rapid growth was enough. But good businesses grow slowly, even on the Internet. - AJ Kohn
Nice post and great perspective. Nice position to be able to compare your own gmail experience to your FF experience. - bankwatch
The comments on your blog are awesome, e.g. "Gmail would be a lot better if it allowed registration of usernames < 6 characters wide." Proposed reply, "Oh, you can, but every single one has already been taken" - j1m
I commented in the post, but I saw a comment in FriendFeed that noted how another well-known service had a well-executed marketing introduction, followed by rapid growth, followed by severe technical failures. Not to imply that one growth model is always right and another one is always wrong (plus, that company solved its technical issues). - Ontario Emperor
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Paul, keep up the good fight to properly manage FF for optimal growth, scalability and integration of features. Rushed products typically fail. However, a healthy burn rate is good too. Release timely updates in response to user demand. There are some important UIX features that should be released soon as users are clamoring for ease of use features and FF could risk losing more users if these basic UI features are not implemented within a reasonable amount of time. Good Luck! :) - Susan Beebe
I commented over at the post. Really nice entry, with great perspective. - Martha
Paul: I've read this post three times and it's a work of art. Thank you and thank you for creating a service that has addicted me for almost a year now. - Robert Scoble
Not to one up Scoble, but it's the service itself that is the work of art. - Jim Jannotti
i appreciate this blended perspective. today i am dealing with the often elusive "balancing" objective, i.e., what is an acceptable pace towards those "goals posts", while honoring the organic nature of the quest! - Gregg
"Steve Gillmor has been on a campaign to get Feedburner to wake up and make his Feedburner feed more responsive. I support him in this. Now that Feedburner is pwned by Google, there's something kind of sneaky about a big company that prides itself on keeping its servers up and responsive all the time to be asleep on this." - Dave Winer
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I don't know anything else about it, but I've noticed that some feeds use http://www.pheedo.com/, which seems to be a feedburner clone. - Paul Buchheit
wonder what the latency on pheedo is - Steve Gillmor
the founder of pheedo just posted a comment with contact info on scripting.com - Dave Winer
What features/benefits of Feedburner is it that people are trying to replicate/realize here? Analytics? Inserting ads into your feeds? Or is this really about trying to push/pull content out as quickly as possible? - Ken Sheppardson
realtime rss ping/syncronization of feedburner type service - Steve Gillmor
Where "feedburner type service" = ad serving/analytics? - Ken Sheppardson
cant someone ask kevin marks or other folks about this? ill check with my google guy... and report back. - andrew
I've tried reaching kevin but he's ignoring me - Steve Gillmor
steve just listened to your year end podcast while freezing my a** off running here in minneapolis - an excellent hour on authority/blogging/microblogging/real time.... thanks again for all the great shows last year - capped by the year end gem. checking with my goog guy now. - andrew
thanks andrew, tomorrow's NewsGang Live shaping up nicely 1PM Pacific - Steve Gillmor
As I posted on Dave's blog, Pheedo typically works with large commercial pubs (NYT Times, CNET, PCWorld, etc) but happy to help Steve with your feed updating issue and stats. Contact me at bill AT Pheedo Dot Com. - Bill Flitter
Bill are you going to offer a competitive service? - Steve Gillmor
I think the goal is a sustainable real-time content publishing system of some sort. RSS + ping networks don't get the job done currently. It's easy to create a one-off ping/poll system for a small number of sources, with low latency, much more difficult to do so for a large number. There is no system now that I'm aware of that directly addresses this particular issue. SUP and XMPP are interesting, but nor deployed in a full system yet. - mikepk
mikepk you move from not in google's economic interest to innovators dilemma to not doable technically. Microsoft is licking its chops. google is silent for a reason - Steve Gillmor
Steve, I think the reason that Google is silent might be more that it's a Sunday after the holidays. I pointed some people at Google to this. - Matt Cutts
Steve, innovator's dilemma is the only point I made, I never said it wasn't technically doable. :) The ironiy of the innovator's dilemma is that it *is* in Google's long term economic interest. The central argument is that internal pressure keeps a company from exploring disruptive technologies because they must focus on their short term economic interest above their long term. - mikepk
Also, it's just a "feeling" that I have that google's internal priorities are re-aligning
